Curse

Arkantos · Aug 08, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Earth

I don't get it. Why nerf one overpowered skill (UB), but then proceed to buff all other overpowered PvE skills, so they get even more overpowered?

I really don't get it.

The skills weren't actually buffed, per say. They're more effective at low ranks now, but at max they're the same. Besides, I'd much rather have more effective PvE skills at lower ranks than ursan.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Well since I cant find or be bothered to find your quote to badly Bryant, but you asked nicely so here it is.
UB isnt a nerf.
1. They removed the energy degen - buff
2. Still cant be stripped and Edenial no longer works and neither does it kick you out of form when energy reaches 0 - buff
3. All profeesions have the same armor and HP - buff
4. Not everything is removed from your character when you use UB. see pix below

5. They made it where r8 is the same as r10 - buff

Im sure I could come up with more. but lets see what they did nerf on it now

1. It last 60 secs and recharges in 60 secs - nerf
2. They changed 1 of the dual attacks to non-armor ignoring

Yeap I can really see where you call it a nerf

Things they didnt really change the knockdown still is multiple foes. You only have to be close to them but hey you already was to begin with.

Oh, you're serious..

They removed energy degen, yes. All professions have same health and armor, yes. But that really doesn't matter, because you can no longer keep it up indefinitely. That one change is what makes it a nerf. Also, that damage is pathetic. Trying to justify ursan is still good by posting shitty DPS at the master of damage is really contradicting yourself.

moriz · Aug 08, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

how izzy skill balance:

playerbase: "there's a problem, our bird has no wings"
izzy: "that will be fixed in the next update"
one month later:
izzy: "i fixed the problem! the wing-less bird is now a FROG! the problem has been fixed"
playerbase: "um... that frog only has three legs!"
izzy: "that will be fixed in the next update"

Stolen Souls · Aug 08, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

The skills weren't actually buffed, per say. They're more effective at low ranks now, but at max they're the same. Besides, I'd much rather have more effective PvE skills at lower ranks than ursan.

Yeah, people need to just take a second and read a bit more carefully. They didn't "buff" most of the skills. Well...they did, kinda...but ONLY on the low end. All it means is that we don't have to grind as much for the skills to be as effective...which is a good thing.

Faer · Aug 08, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Yeap I can really see where you call it a nerf

Evisc/DSlash Warriors do more damage.

DarkWasp · Aug 08, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Holy mother of pearl! Raven Blessing actauly has something going for it now.

That's my new dungeon clearing skill.

Arkantos · Aug 08, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Faer

Evisc/DSlash Warriors do more damage.

Sorry Faer, pretty much any damage dealing build does more damage. Not to mention they can do that damage indefinitely, unlike ursan.

wynoski · Aug 08, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I for one am loving the UB "nerf"

As a necro Ursan, I ran secondary Warrior with 6 blood, 13 SR, 9 tact and 9 Sword

Now since my sword attacks do nothing in Ursan, I put all of those points into Blood and with a tactics shield and "I am Unstoppable" along with armor insignias for extra armor.

Out of ursan I am still at ~76-86 armor and up to 100-110 when I am unstoppable is up. All those extra blood points allow me to use a lot of touch skills and stand toe to toe with a lot of monsters...

Vanqed Ferndale and Arborstone that way last night...No worries at all

Numa Pompilius · Aug 08, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

I find a problem with that, though:

Read Arcane Mimicry. it specifically states, and I quote (from the non-concise version):

Now, read Ursan Blessing. It specifically states, and I quote (from the non-concise version):

No offense, but you're not reading it right.

What's being arcane mimicry'd isn't Ursan, it's Oath Shot or Assassins Promise, which is then used to recharge Ursan.

Faer · Aug 08, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Sorry Faer, pretty much any damage dealing build does more damage. Not to mention they can do that damage indefinitely, unlike ursan.

Are you suggesting people run something inferior to Evisc or DSlash with these comments? You are stricken from the guest list, sir.

R.Shayne · Aug 08, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Funny SF UW looks even better to me and a few others BTW thats still the poison and burning build of mine.

Haven't had this much fun since, well ever. I like this even better then before because I prefer to farm in hardmode and since they range attack means they don't scattering it is great.

Latest run was sweet, got another sapphire. I used a cupcake for up the hill so I could bring another damager but was totally useless so going back to dark escape.

I am using the Perma Sin Sliver.

high priestess anya · Aug 08, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

wow! the posts are just flyin in! lol

ursan nerf ftw....obviously.
back to the drawing board to make team builds that are exciting rather than spamming skills 1-4.
imo they only need to make solo farms extinct and titles easy to attain, not much easier but do-able within a set time period.
expect some nerfing very soon this update is too good to be true atm

Vazze · Aug 08, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

I see one godly buff in this update, and that is asuran scan. Except for warriors every physical damage dealer can afford the energy to stick it on every single target: +75% DPS. This means that a single (crit scythe) assassin can deal more damage than 3-4 ursans (200+ DPS) and rangers can do 100-150 DPS.

Spider Pig · Aug 08, 2008, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Nerfing Ursan but buffing all of the other PvE skills and making them even more overpowered?

I think the developers were drunk when they thought of those changes.

Now the game is even more ruined... Just great!

BoondockSaint · Aug 08, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Spider Pig

Nerfing Ursan but buffing all of the other PvE skills and making them even more overpowered?

I think the developers were drunk when they thought of those changes.

Now the game is even more ruined... Just great!

Sigh... As has been said a million time most of the pve skills were not buffed just brought up so that there is less of a grind for them. (If you so desire) Now to wait another page or so before someone else complains about how the buffed the pve skills...

N1ghtstalker · Aug 08, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

i hope we'll see more skill changes soon
cuz i was a bit dissapointed to see the number of elites changed
i expected alot more

Numa Pompilius · Aug 08, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by BoondockSaint

Sigh... As has been said a million time most of the pve skills were not buffed just brought up so that there is less of a grind for them.

That's true if you ignore that they didn't just increase damage, they also increased the duration of the PvE spells. And that Sniper Support is suddenly the mother of all spike skills.

Nukey · Aug 08, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Thank you Anet! This was a great update. I have no complaints.

Less grind, less Ursan

, and a buff to some pretty bad elites!
I'm sure if the sniper skills gets out of hand they'll just reduce the % chance.

The Ursan nerf is one of the best things to ever happen to the game. Those complaining about it are just too lazy to have to think about things to put in their other seven skill slots.

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 08, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Thing about Sniper Support is that it's still got a 10% chance of hitting something with that uber-damage. I think I'll stick with the Assassin Support (that's been fun since I've Arcane Echo it).

Tom Swift · Aug 08, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Vazze

I see one godly buff in this update, and that is asuran scan. Except for warriors every physical damage dealer can afford the energy to stick it on every single target: +75% DPS. This means that a single (crit scythe) assassin can deal more damage than 3-4 ursans (200+ DPS) and rangers can do 100-150 DPS.

[asuran scan][ebon battle standard of honor][way of perfection][critical eye][critical defenses][way of the assassin][way of the master][critical agility]

16 critical hits
9 scythe master
rest in shadow arts
zealous scythe

This is not meant as a serious build - it's just fun to (solo) whoop up on stone elementals without a single attack skill on the bar.

What's really funny is that it's just as fast as my farming build was in killing elementals (don't think it would work as well against the aloes though)

R.Shayne · Aug 08, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Thing about Sniper Support is that it's still got a 10% chance of hitting something with that uber-damage. I think I'll stick with the Assassin Support (that's been fun since I've Arcane Echo it).

I can't see it being used outside of charr territory where it has a 25% chance, tried it on the Charr outside of doomlore and was a nice way to get ride of the dominators. Has anyone tested to see if this works on low level charr (kind of hope it doesn't).

10% chance is just not enough.